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Rank the LOZ Series

Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 3:36 am
by RMDC
There are like ten thousand Zelda games. WE MUST PUT THEM IN ORDER. So tell me what order they should be in, or at least list your top five.

For me, they go:
  • Link's Awakening
  • A Link to the Past
  • Twilight Princess
  • The Wind Waker
  • The Legend of Zelda
  • The Adventure of Link
  • Phantom Hourglass
  • Ocarina of Time
  • Majora's Mask
The top four slots of my list are practically interchangeable. I don't count the non-Nintendo games, so no CD-i games and no Capcom handheld editions (this includes their GBA remake of ALttP; it was jarring and uncomfortable). I've never played Spirit Tracks or Skyward Sword.

Link's Awakening is a beautiful game. It feels like a dream long before you ever realize the true nature of Koholint Island. It's evocative and emotional. And, hands down, it's got the best music of the series.

ALttP is the grand opus. It's visually rich and full of grand sound. It established much of the expanded mythos of the game, as well as many of the recurring characters and themes. As an early SNES game, it was a showcase for the capabilities of the console, so all the stops were out.

Wind Waker was the most explicit about the reincarnative struggles of the Triforce bearers, if a little ham-handed in that respect. It really bothered me that the big reveal of Zelda's identity turned her from a smirking swashbuckler into a hand-clasping inanimate object with a heavy dose of eyeshadow. But Link's childlike heroism appealed to me, and characters like Medli made the whole thing worthwhile. Others disliked sailing, but I found it enjoyable for the most part, and spending half the game on a vast ocean made the plot very visceral as it unfolded. I enjoyed the smoothness and intuitiveness of the controls, and the puzzles felt genuinely satisfying. The final battle was the best epic three-part Ganon clash of the series, and that last blow.

Twilight Princess was in many ways an apology for Ocarina of Time (more on that in a minute). It makes no great breakthroughs visually or musically, and it has few new mechanics to offer, but it has the most finely balanced pacing of the series. The descent of twilight felt like an actual hardship being endured by the tertiary characters. Its slow roll over Hyrule gave the game a sense of slowly-building urgency. There are plenty of high-tension overworld moments to break things up, such as the cart chase and the two jousts with King Bulblin. And, above all else, there's Midna, the single best character in the entire series.


Okay, this is gonna get me banned, but:

I hate Ocarina of Time.

I hated the gameplay, the plot, the environments, the character designs, and the writing. I hated Link's yelpy voice. I hated the big empty spaces. I hated that it broke the timeline and that it was intended to replace A Link to the Past. The controls were clunky. It felt to me that the developers had written tomes' worth of background notes and plot, but, satisfied with the fact that they had finished writing it, failed to let the rest of us in on their work, leaving us with a game full of unexplored characters and undeveloped conflicts. The problems plaguing Hyrule after Ganon's rise seemed to mainly be confined to bad weather and "don't hang out near the fountain in Castle Town". I ground my way through it because it was a Zelda game and therefore was required. By the end - in a crazy reversal of everyone else's reality - the only thing I really liked was Navi. Maybe because I was interpreting her character through the lens of Epheremelda from the Nintendo Power comics.

I tried, I really tried, to play Majora's Mask. It made me physically ill. I can't give it a proper rating because I haven't played more than an hour's worth of the game (most of which, it seemed, was the opening cutscene sequence).

Re: Rank the LOZ Series

Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 11:54 am
by blackmageheart
OK...let's see.
  • Majora's Mask
  • A Link to The Past
  • Wind Waker
  • Minish Cap
  • Spirit Tracks
  • Link's Adventure
  • The Legend of Zelda
  • Oracle of Ages/Seasons
  • Link's Awakening
  • Ocarina of Time
  • Twilight Princess
  • Skyward Sword
I want nobody to misunderstand my list for any reason. I do not hate any game on this list. I do, however, dislike many parts to the ones ranked lowest.
Twilight Princess was disappointing to me in many ways, that said, I adore Midna. Skyward Sword...I can't even bring myself to play it anymore so it's the first LoZ game I haven't completed.

I have ranked Majora's Mask first, and this has got me into arguments before. Why? Simply put, it is my favourite. I like the darker theme to it, the general feeling that the sands in the hourglass are slipping away from you (even if you can repeat it over and over), the constant threat of the moon above and watching the lives of the characters of Termina. Also, contains two of the most haunting pieces of music I have heard - the Giants song, which feels so melancholy; and Last End, which gave me not only a sense of panic but of sadness too.
Of course, I'm not blind to MMs faults and it has many. Like OoT it was sometimes awkward in its mechanics, and the "soft" graphics always gave me a headache after an hour or so. But these are all personal experiences, good and bad.
I always unintentionally invite argument on this because a lot of people equate "favourite" with "best" and I'm not saying that at all - it's merely that I get the most enjoyment out of MM.

ALttP is high up there because I always feel like I can go back to it and never lose anything. It never gets boring and I always enjoy revisiting it. The music is awesome, naturally, as is the gameplay and storyline/backstory but I think most of all it's the colour palette of the game that I really like.

Wind Waker is so unbelievably charming and child-like, but contains such a hidden depth of story that it's hard for me to dislike it. I love sailing! The vastness of the ocean and the freedom really appealed to me. I do agree with RMDC about the Zelda reveal. I found that Tetra, who was a totally badass tomboy pirate (and so I felt I could totally relate, me being a badass tomboy...pirate....well...just the tomboy part anyway!) turning into this little flower who was 90% eyeshadow and 10% princess was rather disappointing.

Minish Cap, I enjoyed the comedy of the hat but also the general gameplay. Spirit Tracks, I loved the train! The dungeons ended up being far too easy though.

LoZ and Link's Adventure I don't really need to go into, just classics with that old-school gameplay style that doesn't get boring for me. Oracles were pleasant and Link's Awakening was beautiful, although my experiences with those games are somewhat limited (borrowed from a friend many moons ago.)
RMDC wrote:Okay, this is gonna get me banned, but:

I hate Ocarina of Time.
I don't hate it, but I cannot rank it near the top. I can't really explain why, but I am not enamoured by it. I did enjoy it the first time through, but I felt like a lot of the storyline was...inadequate is the best way I think I can describe it. However, I did like the fishing, although I think that says more about me than it does about the game!

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I can see there is a possibility of this topic becoming divisive so I'd like people to remain open-minded and friendly! These are opinions and debate is welcomed but no arguments please :D

Re: Rank the LOZ Series

Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 12:26 pm
by EveningEmma
I have not played many Zelda games and the only one I've ever completed is Minish Cap. I love that game and will play it again sometime for sure! Other ones I've played are Wind Waker, Phantom Hourglass, and a Link to the Past. My ranking would be exactly that order:

Minish Cap
Wind Waker
Phantom Hourglass
A Link to the Past

Re: Rank the LOZ Series

Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 5:36 pm
by Ally
I also have to whack Majora's Mask at the top! I never owned it, but I used to hire it from my local video store when I was around 10 or 11. It made me feel as though I had to work harder for it to complete it!
I'm not the biggest fan of Ocarina of Time also. I couldn't get as into it...can't explain why...
I never played the LoZ games for the Gameboy, or any of the others really, I got back into it when the games came out for the Wii, like Skyward Sword and Twilight Princess. I love both those games.

Re: Rank the LOZ Series

Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 1:00 am
by RMDC
Oh, and I should mention that I have the Gamecube version of Twilight Princess - the thought of Link as a righty makes my brain hurt. :P

EveningEmma, I have to ask: the deal-breaker for me with Phantom Hourglass was the primary dungeon you have to repeat over and over again. Was that a factor in your ranking?

Re: Rank the LOZ Series

Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 1:14 am
by EveningEmma
RMDC wrote:Oh, and I should mention that I have the Gamecube version of Twilight Princess - the thought of Link as a righty makes my brain hurt. :P

EveningEmma, I have to ask: the deal-breaker for me with Phantom Hourglass was the primary dungeon you have to repeat over and over again. Was that a factor in your ranking?
No, I didn't mind that so much, the fact is I got stuck someone near the end (I think) in a dungeon which I spent ages in trying to figure out all the puzzles and just couldn't get any further. The same thing happened with Wind Waker... I suck at Zelda games.

Re: Rank the LOZ Series

Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 1:27 am
by blackmageheart
RMDC wrote:Oh, and I should mention that I have the Gamecube version of Twilight Princess - the thought of Link as a righty makes my brain hurt. :P
I know what you mean, but I still got the Wii version anyway. I understand why they did the mirroring, but when I try to explain to my left-handed daughter why Link has changed hands...that's when my brain hurts. :P

Re: Rank the LOZ Series

Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 4:33 am
by Icelandic Hitman
This is tough but...

- A link to the Past
- Links Awakening
- Twilight Princess
- Wind Waker
- Ocarina of Time
- Minish Cap
- Majora's Mask
- Spirit Tracks
- Legend of Zelda
- Links Adventure
- Phantom Hour Glass

PHG first Zelda I didn't finish, that timed centre dungeon, GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

ALTTP - First cut is the deepest right? Good gameplay, music, plot and difficulty curve
LA - Zelda in the back seat of the car! and it was fun Chomp Chomps, mario and the swap item sub quest.
TP - That battle with the spinner on the walls against the giant skeleton! Wolf Link. That intro song! Best Fishing Hole. This was LOZ goes Goth!
WW - The battle with spider Gannon with the reflection on the ground. The B&W boss run.The music and scene when you enter the Castle and the STAINED GLASS! But it did have a lot of Sponge Bobbing*
OOT - Z lock on! The story and the plot and the characters suffer from the Secret Of Mana curse, but the combat was spectacular I can jump to the left the right, forwards, back, stab, slash, roll, and if you jump from a hight and land on an enemy you do more damage. Twisted hallways, horse jumping out of paintings, hedge mazes, lost forests, jumping ravines on a horse. Odd that you all go on about Tetra but this did have Shiek where Zelda was a total bad ass who then became a oh no trapped in a prison, clasp hands girly girl again.
MC - fun all the way
MM - The time pressure and the fact you do a dungeon and you get to keep what items you got but nothing else did make me go WTF, but rolling around the land as a Goron kept me amused for HOURS. And the 5 mins left till the end of the world song.
ST - fun and I liked how Zelda came along
LZ - the entrance to the last dungeon with the otorocks that give you about a 50/50 change of being slaughtered grrrrrrr
LA - not as good as LZ
PHG - Didn't finish, just didn't care any more

I haven't played Seasons nor Twilight Sword ( I have it, just waiting for my holidays so I can enjoy it non stop )



* Dodger term : When you turn and say I need this to save the world, and they say ok, just sail 3/4 across the world to get a me a sea shell that is pink and then you can have it

Re: Rank the LOZ Series

Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 4:02 pm
by jadely
A Link to the Past
Twilight Princess
Ocarina of Time
Majora's Mask
Original NES

I've not technically "finished" the rest of the games, so I feel I can't accurately judge them :)

Re: Rank the LOZ Series

Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 4:01 am
by RMDC
Icelandic Hitman wrote:Odd that you all go on about Tetra but this did have Shiek where Zelda was a total bad ass who then became a oh no trapped in a prison, clasp hands girly girl again.
Ach, that's a good point you bring up. But the radical feminist in me rankles at the fact that Badass Zelda had to pass as male. :P